Price Action Swing Trading - The PAST Strategy

viper77

Active Trader
Aug 28, 2013
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20 pips SL? That´s even tighter than what i did, i think that odds are very small for riding successfully such a big move with a tiny SL like that...
Since i´m not always able to babysit my trades (job and sleep take a big part of the day) next time i won´t put anything less than 50 pips to move to breakeven and then jumping SL every 60 pips or so... free Multi Purpose Trade Manager does exactly that, what do you think about that approach? Still too tight?

Neeedless to say, i run it in a VPS... ;)

I sometimes use a trade manager but recently forgot that I had it set and turned the PC off overnight. Result. Price reached my initial target but then retraced way back losing me my 20 pip stop instead of locking in the 20 pips and moving stop to B/E. Another lesson learnt, ie: EAs do not work if the PC is not swtiched on!
 
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viper77

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Aug 28, 2013
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I don´t think there are many occasions when you can ride such a long move with a tiny SL like that, i put that and got stopped when sleeping, so now next time i´ll be putting at least 50 to BE and jumping SL 60 to give more room for price to "breath"...
 

myknees

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Jun 26, 2013
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Consider this perhaps 0.25% Stop, 5% move - bound to catch one or two every say 20 trades = -5% +5% or -5% +10% - Just a thought
 

Nigel Price

Master Trader
Jun 26, 2013
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Hi Everyone,

The start of September has livened things up a bit, as we had hoped. I have had a great week, with both the pairs I was looking at breaking trendlines nice and cleanly. I'm holding short positions in both EUR/USD and EUR/AUD and hope to see these grow in size over the coming weeks. Tiny risk v huge reward :)

Unfortunately for those who missed the initial break, there hasn't really been a retrace yet that would have allowed you to get in. But there will always be another trade coming along - the market isn't going anywhere soon.

Have a good weekend, I'm going to see the Ireland v Sweden match in Dublin tonight - #COYBIG :D

See you next week.
 

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Beijin

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Aug 31, 2013
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Hi Nigel:

I have a question:

What should we do if H1 chart is in the same direction of the reversal trend?

For example:

1. We found an up trend in the weekly chart.

2. We found a reversal candle (a bearish doji).

3. We go to the H1 (o H4) chart and draw a trend line. It is an up trend line.

4. We will wait for a break to the downside, and then open a short position.

However:

If the trend line in the H1 chart is down trend, should we open a short position immediately?

Thanks for your help!
 

Olu

Master Trader
Hi Nigel:

I have a question:

What should we do if H1 chart is in the same direction of the reversal trend?

For example:

1. We found an up trend in the weekly chart.

2. We found a reversal candle (a bearish doji).

3. We go to the H1 (o H4) chart and draw a trend line. It is an up trend line.

4. We will wait for a break to the downside, and then open a short position.

However:

If the trend line in the H1 chart is down trend, should we open a short position immediately?

Thanks for your help!

Hi B

I know your question was for Nigel but I had to contribute to its answering as I have come accross your situation.

So we have a weekly reversal and on the lower timeframe we have identified the trendline which we want to be broken before we enter. But the line has been broken. Holy Moly!

I ask myself:-

How close am I to the breakdown/entry point?. If near enough and still within my risk profile I will join the trade. If far away I wait for a retest or look for another pair to trade.

My aim is to keep risk to a minimum.

Sometimes we need to walk away from a trade even if its journey in the right direction has started


Hope this helps. Nigel will provide more indepth insight

Olu
 

Nigel Price

Master Trader
Jun 26, 2013
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Hi Nigel:

Hello Beijin, welcome!

I have a question:
Fire away!

What should we do if H1 chart is in the same direction of the reversal trend?

For example:

1. We found an up trend in the weekly chart.

2. We found a reversal candle (a bearish doji).

3. We go to the H1 (o H4) chart and draw a trend line. It is an up trend line.

4. We will wait for a break to the downside, and then open a short position.
Nice summary :)

However:

If the trend line in the H1 chart is down trend, should we open a short position immediately?

I think I get your question Beijin. It's a good one and if I was writing the ebook again I would include it! If I am understanding correctly, it's should we draw trendlines that slope in the same direction we are trading?

For me, the answer would be no. The trendline you draw should generally be in the opposite direction to the direction in which you are trading. So, if we are trading to the downside, the angle of the trendline should be sloping to the upside. Personally I might consider a trendline if it was nearly horizontal but not any further than that.

The reason for this is that we want to make entries that are clean and quick, so we can get our stop to break-even. You might note that as price moves in a particular direction, it consolidates and then moves quickly, consolidates and moves quickly. We want to get in nice and close to the point when price starts to move quickly. In my experience that occurs most often when, in a down-moving market, bullish trendlines break. And vice-versa.

What is the best angle for a trendline? Again, for me, I would say not too steep, not too flat, somewhere in the middle. But I will consider nearly everything ;)

But as I say regularly, while good entries are nice, cutting the losers quickly and running winners for as long as possible is far more important.

I hope this is of some help Beijin. If I have misread your question, let me know, or post a chart as an example. We like charts in this thread!

Thanks for your help!
No sweat :)

What Olu posted further back is extremely pertinent, and deserves repeating.

If the trendline you were watching has already broken and you were not there to trade it, you must wait for either a new trendline to form or a retest of the broken trendline.

That is your work for that day - the ability to recognise that it is time to exercise patience, get up from the screen and walk away. If you start chasing the market and making entries willy-nilly, you are failing in your day's work. If you had a boss, he would sack for it - it's gross misconduct. :mad:


Sometimes we need to walk away from a trade even if its journey in the right direction has started
this is fantastic advice. The ability to do that separates the men from the boys in trading. It takes strength, discipline and courage to walk away. There is no glory in sitting at the screen taking stupid trades just for the sake of it. Go and spend the time with your family, cook a nice meal, do some exercise.

Save yourself for when the market is working with you, not against you.
 

Nigel Price

Master Trader
Jun 26, 2013
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Nigel, sorry to go off topic but I think, the fat lady has sung for the BIG !

I think the fat lady has certainly sung for the BIG now! I think she was sitting just behind me. The word on the street is that she is on a flight to Vienna tonight for an encore!

Doesn't look like I'll be chilling out on Copacabana Beach next summer now! :mad:
 

Nigel Price

Master Trader
Jun 26, 2013
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That is your work for that day - the ability to recognise that it is time to exercise patience, get up from the screen and walk away.

This is equally applicable to occasions when you have trades open showing floating profit. It takes time for large positions to develop. When you are holding winning positions, have a longer term horizon, and allow the winners the time to grow and mature. Try not to give into the temptation to close the trade for a profit, just because you fancy the momentary buzz you get when you close a winning position.

Think about the pips to come as well and the pips just past.
 

wqst

Trader
Aug 5, 2013
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Hello Nigel and all traders!

Your book is nicely written, however, republishing it is best idea. I am available for your help to make it more profitable, easy to understand and adding some more information about trading.

Drawing a trend line is a basic chapter in Forex trading. Unfortunately, most of novice traders don’t pay attention on this chapter, they think this is crap. In fact, simple trend lines are best than indicators, we spend all efforts and money on custom indicators.

I would like to add one piece of advice for traders about drawing a trend line

If we are going to open a long position we should draw a trend line on upper side of candles sloping downside e.g \

If we are going to open a short position we should draw a trend line on the lower side of candles sloping upside e.g /

Here are a few chapters about drawing and trading correct trend lines
http://www.babypips.com/school/trend-lines.html

Please don’t mind these are my raw thoughts.
 

Nigel Price

Master Trader
Jun 26, 2013
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Hi wqst,

Thanks for your kind words. The ebook is free, so I'm not really interested in increasing profit, thanks all the same!

As far as the trendlines are concerned, I didn't really want to include a load of really basic stuff in the book, like how to draw a trendline, what is a pip, the forex market is the biggest market in the world, etc etc - all that stuff is already available all over the internet - and as you say, babypips is a great start.

The purpose for the ebook though was to bring a little more value to readers, rather than just regurgitating what is already out there.

Hopefully it does that to some extent.

Thanks for your input though, all comments are always appreciated! :)
 

viper77

Active Trader
Aug 28, 2013
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Who else got cleaned entering long at the break of trendline on AUDCHF just to see an impredictable retrace of about 100 pips? :(
 

viper77

Active Trader
Aug 28, 2013
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This is what i call bad luck, with euraud trade my SL was too tight, got stopped and then pair had a great move in the correct direction, now with audchf in order to avoid that put a SL far away to avoid being stopped (107 pips, next round number that wasn´t supposed to be touched), entered above round number as well and for my surprise got stopped anyway when i was sleeping, once again... :(

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How would you protect from such a violent move against you when you`re not in front of the screen?

Greetings.

How many pips did you lose viper77, just out of interest?
 
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