Price Action Swing Trading - The PAST Strategy

Nigel Price

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GBP/CAD continued....

At B/E now, so risk free.

Can't rule out another attempt to retest the underside of the trendline by the bulls, and if they do, I will be sniffing around looking for shorts. As long as price stays below that trendline my bias is to the downside.

Would be nice to make it to the next trendline as shown on the 4 hour chart below, but we will have to wait and see what happens. Nothing is certain in trading. :D
 

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Nigel Price

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Right Gents I'm going to take a break.

40 posts in less than two days is more than enough for me!

Hope this commentary has been of some use to readers of the thread.

By the way, the most important post out of all of the past 40 is the one with the quotes - read it - read it over and over! :D

Good luck!
 

Euroman

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GBPCAD

Thanks for all your posts Nigel, I have been applying the minimal risk approach in a number of trades today. Today I have had six trades stop out with a loss of just 17 pips. That makes being wrong so much easier to deal with when losses are small & I can look forward to the opportunity of being right now & again.

I have posted a couple of charts for GBPCAD, the first with my entries & one breakeven S/O as price tested the trendline & then a fresh entry as the bulls appeared to be losing conviction.

The 2nd daily chart shows a strong channel, so I would expect some support on the upper line, but if it can get through that, the lower channel is right around the area you targeted.
 

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Euroman

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I'm on a roll now with this posting lark, so another couple of charts.

First USDCAD, I entered on the first break of the trendline & then had to wait a couple of hours for the follow through, but stop is now at B/E & 40 pips ahead now.

NZDJPY, I took a break on a 15 min chart & the follow through was PAST perfection! This was doing really well until NZD news tonight that pushed through my B/E stop by 2 pips :mad:

So I've seen the tight stops & focus on risk, seen the B/E stop outs, now I want to see the hundreds of pips profit, that I have been reading about :D
 

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Shiner452

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Looking good euroman. I did got stopped out on the NZD news as well tonight...of course just before the news it tripped my entry. Chart is shown.
 

Euroman

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Looking good euroman. I did got stopped out on the NZD news as well tonight...of course just before the news it tripped my entry. Chart is shown.

Yes, that was a quick & large reaction to the news. At least I had the pleasure of staring at a paper profit for most of the day before being stopped out.:)

Let's see what PAST action we get tomorrow.
 

foodaba

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help please

I think i am doing something wrong...... the way i set up my risk management

i am drawing down my account by 3-5% with every stop not out at BE..

i workout my lot size by the stop i need (8-17 pips)...for example i will set my

trade $4 per pip with an 8 pip stop......$2 per pip if i need a 16 pip stop..

everyone talks pips.... I'm talkin real dollars..... less pips but same dollar loss

what am i doing wrong (or right?)
 
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Shiner452

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Personally I don't use dollars I use percentages. You need to decide what your strategy is. How much do you want to make and risk losing each trade. How much margin you are working with will make a big difference with that. If you are losing 3-5 percent on your 10 or so pip stops it sounds like you put at least 80% of your account on a trade at 1:50 margin. You probably need to have a 20‰ success rate making 25% profit on the winners and losing 5% on the lower to make money in that scenario. I think that's very reasonable. If you use past properly you can make a lot more on your winners. Sometimes more than 100%. It's a high risk high reward method but I believe it's possible. For me to its way too aggressive. I'd be nervous putting 80%of my account on one trade and won't be able to handle the swings as I'm sure a few stop outs in a row would make me sweat.
 

Euroman

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Hi Foodaba, let me share my thoughts & how I'm trading with PAST.

Firstly, we all refer to pip moves because they are our unit of measurement. It's less confusing than talking about dollars or in my case GBP, because we all have different size accounts & are trading different amounts per pip move.

I might trade $1 per pip, you might trade $4 per pip & Nigel might trade $100 per pip, but you are right, it is real money on the line, which leads to the next issue....

How much per pip. I don't think about lot sizes or margin ratios, I think how much of my trading bank, as a percentage am I prepared to lose per trade. I then make sure my risk per trade is within that amount.

So before I get to real figures, I know from past experience trading FX that risking 3% per trade can get painful very quickly. Of course if you have a system you have proven to yourself delivers 80% winners, then 3% risk is more acceptable.

PAST as we are regularly told, will produce more losing than winning trades. The PAST method is new to me, so I know that initially I will do things wrong, be too keen to jump into trades & try to create trades before any reversal has developed.

As a result, I have been risking less than 1% on my PAST trades, knowing that even if I get stopped out for the full amount, it will not be painful & I can keep coming back enough times to catch the winning trades.

I also realise that my profits in GBP terms will be modest, though once a trade has started on a trend & my original risk has been reduced to zero, I can always add another position & another to build my profit potential with just my 1% risk. Over time my account will grow & my 1% risk figure will increase as well.

I'm in the UK & have had a trading account with IG Markets for a number of years. Earlier this year they raised the minimum FX trade size from £0.50 to £1. As I was trading FX with wide stops, I found that it was encouraging me to risk 3% plus just to get into a trade. Great when I caught a trend, painful when volatility took out my whole stop.

So I have opened an account with FXCM UK & though they trade in lot sizes, they also show the £ amount per pip, which is what I'm used to trading with. Their minimum size is 1micro lot, 1K or 1000 units of currency. For most currencies I have looked at, that is around £0.06 per pip, a big difference to IG's £1.00 per pip.

So, I put £2000 into this account, my 1% risk is £20 per trade. I have been using stops of around 20 to 30 pips & trading 10K lots which is around £0.60 per pip or $1 per pip. So a 20 pip stop is just 0.6% of my trading bank at risk.

If the trade closes out at 400 pips profit, then that's £240. That's not a life changing amount but is 12% of the original trading bank. If I manage my risk so I can afford to stay trading, those 12%'s will keep adding up over time.

You only have to look back over the charts with a weekly timescale to see what size moves do take place over a period of a few months. There are usually plenty of opportunities to have added to positions during the moves.

Sure, I want to be catching 1000 pip moves at £50 a pip & doing that on a monthly basis, that kind of money would make a difference but reality says that's unlikely to happen before Christmas! :D
 

GRS

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I don't think you should use fixed % for PAST. Low risk high reward systems are best suited to fixed lot. If you lose several trades (which is expected with PAST) with fixed % then your risk per trade will drop and hence also your reward when the winner comes. Best to use fixed lot or fixed risk. Having said that, the biggest 'hole' in the PAST strategy is that although it places risk as the most important concept, it does brush over position sizing, a core variable in risk, as a 'personal' issue. Although I agree that we all have different risk appetite, I'd love to see Nigel delve a bit deeper into the concept of risk and hence position sizing. As an advocate of recording stats, it would be interesting to hear what PAST, or the PAST indicator win rate, drawdown, ROI etc is.
 

Euroman

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Aug 14, 2013
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EURCAD

Trying EURCAD this morning. Got in on the first trend break but got stopped out for 24 pips / £13.83 or 0.7% of account.

Back in again at 1.4597 & just about to move stop to B/E.
 

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Shiner452

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So when I use a fixed percent I employ this method.

Lets say I have 10,000 USD in my account and I am on margin of 1:50.

I take 50% of my account (5,000 USD) and multiply it by 50 (margin) which is 250,000. I trade in increments of 250,000 until I get to 12,500. Then I recalculate 50% of that and multiply it by margin. This way I can trade the same number of units even after being stopped out several times. I usually recalculate after a big winning trade. I have never had to recalculate from losing too many trades in a row.
 

Shiner452

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GBPCAD retraced back to the trendline it broke. Nigel, do you have any insight to how successful playing a second test of the break can be? Or if the first test does not continue down do you scratch that trade and move on?
 

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Euroman

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What a difference a day makes! After my successful EURCAD entry this morning, I was sitting on four open CAD trades, all with stops at break even.

After the CAD news releases today, CAD was taken behind the woodshed. That soon stopped out my EURCAD, USDCAD & 2nd GBPCAD trades, leaving just one open GBPCAD trade. As the pound seems fairly weak, I'll let that trade run its course.

The USD has been at the smelling salts & is taking on everyone, so I have my eye on GBPUSD at the moment.

This close to Christmas, I'm not expecting to see any major trends developing but there might be some tradeable retracements to practice on.
 

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Shiner452

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Nice Euroman. Do you mean you are BULLISH on the USD? I am short NZDUSD right now...entry is at the white line and my stop is at break even. I entered at the close of the 15 min candle that had the weekly jobs report. I am anticipating a break down from this flag formation.
 

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Shiner452

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haha...i see where you're going with that. When I have 10,000 USD in my account and I trade with 50% of my account value, I am only trading 5,000 USD of my own money. with margin of 1:50 that comes out to 250,000 USD. So I trade with 250,000 USD until my 10,000 account value hits 12,500. Then I trade 12,500 * .5 = 6,250 times 50 for margin 312,500 USD. make sense?
 

Euroman

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I see, so you are trading with $250,000 but you don't have $250K at risk. It's a different way of thinking of things. I think in terms of £ per point, if I lose or win 100 points, I know how much money has been won or lost. I'm more concerned with how much I could lose than how much I am controlling.

As I understand it, in the USA, max margin is 50:1, here in the UK it is 200:1, so for the same size account I could be 4 times more likely to blow up than you!

As for the dollar, yes it's looking pretty bullish today and GBP is looking weak on the daily, see chart. It's also at yearly highs, so a bit of a pullback before the holidays as traders take profits before they shut up shop could happen.
 

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