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Nigel Price

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ok - super tight entry here at 5343

This is extremely aggressive - 20 pip stop to begin with, but I will be looking to draw that in promptly.

A more conservative strategy would be to wait to see if a reversal candle forms on a larger timeframe - 1 hour or above.

It's all a matter of what price you are prepared to pay for risk.

I'm happy to spend a few pips to see if I can get a trade right under the trendline with a really tight stop.

Others might prefer to wait for confirmation, but accept that they might not get as good an entry.

There is no right or wrong to this - it is just a matter of what suits each trader personally - their risk appetite, their circumstances, their proximity to their screen, their outlook.
 

stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
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ok - super tight entry here at 5343

This is extremely aggressive - 20 pip stop to begin with, but I will be looking to draw that in promptly.

A more conservative strategy would be to wait to see if a reversal candle forms on a larger timeframe - 1 hour or above.

It's all a matter of what price you are prepared to pay for risk.

I'm happy to spend a few pips to see if I can get a trade right under the trendline with a really tight stop.

Others might prefer to wait for confirmation, but accept that they might not get as good an entry.

There is no right or wrong to this - it is just a matter of what suits each trader personally - their risk appetite, their circumstances, their proximity to their screen, their outlook.

If the current 15 min candle closes with a pin bar I will be joining you.

Stuart
 

stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
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Ok here we go guys

Thats me in short on GBPCHF @ 1.5340 SL -20 pips at 1.5360.

This trade was based on the retest of my higher trendline drawn on my previous charts and the 15 min pin bar rejection. Additionally, this was the first time back to a fresh level of supply on the h4 chart.

I will see how this goes and try to get to BE soon.

I have also gone short based on the close of an H4 candle below the trendline on the EURNOK chart I posted this morning. In at 8.3938 SL at 8.4250.

Fingers crossed guys.

Stuart
 

Nigel Price

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Jun 26, 2013
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GBP/CHF still in a 20 pip range....YAWN

That could be us for to today movement-wise, I'm not expecting a huge amount from the US session.

Price still below the trendline though, so the trade is still valid and I'm still in it. Not exactly exciting stuff though!

3560 is probably the line in the sand for me - if the bulls get above there I will gladly concede defeat to them, this time :D:D
 

stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
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Hi Nigel

Are you still in? I got stopped out to the pip. Never mind, we live to trade another day.

EURNOK is sitting in small negative territory but i am holding short at the moment.

GBPUSD is still looking ok, still thinking about addingbif the opportunity presents itself.

Stuart
 

Nigel Price

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Yes Stuart, still in, only by a fraction though. But even if I was stopped out, I think I'd be happy to open another position at these levels. I think we are at excellent r v potential reward area. If this works out, it will be a very nice trade. If not, losses are contained.
 

Nigel Price

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Jun 26, 2013
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Hi guys, I just want to put some perspective on losses here.

While I was waiting for GBP/CHF to actually move today, I did some calculations.

I don't think they are absolutely perfect, but they aren't far off the mark.

How many losses in a row should you expect to be able to stomach?

Based on 1000 trades, with an average loser of 20 pips, and a strike rate of 33%, you can realistically expect at some stage to encounter a losing streak of 17 losses in a row, during those 1,000 trades.

That's 340 pips.

Based on 1000 trades, with an average loser of 20 pips, and a strike rate of 20%, you can realistically expect at some stage to encounter a losing streak of 31 losses in a row, during those 1,000 trades.

That's 620 pips.

Losing streaks do come when you are cutting losers and running winners. In the same way that the winning streaks will come if you are operating the opposite way, with a higher strike rate but with smaller winners and bigger losers.

The difference is that when you are cutting losers and running winners you are taking the pain up front. You are doing the hard work on an on-going basis, grinding your way through the frustration of lots of small losers. Then, BAM, the big winner comes along, and if you have the discipline to let it run, it wipes out all the losses and more.

With the other approach, you take small wins regularly and you develop a sense of ease and comfort with your trading. You are taking your small wins and are regularly patting yourself on the back. But you haven't repealed the laws of mathematics, you haven't discovered the holy grail. All you have done is postpone the work till some point in the future. Your day of reckoning, when the the rubber hits the road, will still come.

But with this way, when that loss comes, BAM - it comes all in one go. Weeks, or months of work are quickly wiped out. Psychologically, that is really difficult to deal with, and that is why you see the accounts blow up, massive drawdowns, retail traders screaming in pain. Discipline goes out the window, strategies get tossed out or tinkered with, and a whole host of stupid needless changes get implemented. Resolutions are made, the account gets funded fresh, and the cycle starts again.

Pick your poison Gents. There is no avoiding the losses. They are guaranteed to come, one way or another. Your choice: Small, regular, manageable, or huge, sporadic and life-threatening.

My way is to deal with losses calmly, methodically, regularly, spread them out over time. No one loss by itself can harm me more than being a minor annoyance. They are regular, they are just part of the trading day.

The usual way is to try avoid losses, postpone them, put them off into the future.

What did your mother tell you about dealing with your problems? You tackle them head on and you deal with them. If you put them off, let them fester and try to avoid them, they will eventually come back at some stage to bite you in the arse. And when they do come back, they will have grown and multiplied, and they might just be too big for you to cope with by then. :eek:

Deal with the losses up front. Go into each trading day expecting to lose. Don't try to leave your losses to another day

Here's an interesting thought experiment. What would happen if we just flipped our thinking around and instead of trying to close winning trades, we tried to close losers. Our goal was to close as many losing trades as possible. Sounds easy? Bet you it isn't, because eventually some winning trade will get away from us and steam into profit and it won't come back. Try it on a demo and see.

Flip that thinking back around again. That is what we are doing here. We are just working our way through the losers until that big winner comes along. We sit down at the trading screen and work our way through those losers, calmly, methodically, and without emotion. Then, I guarantee it, that big winner comes. It always does. It's precisely the same reason why everyone tells you to use stops, except in reverse.

Have a nice evening :)
 
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stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
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Scotland
Yes Stuart, still in, only by a fraction though. But even if I was stopped out, I think I'd be happy to open another position at these levels. I think we are at excellent r v potential reward area. If this works out, it will be a very nice trade. If not, losses are contained.

Hi Nigel

I agree, i am short again follwing the 5-6pm h1 indecision candle. 20 pip SL.

Lets see what happens.

Stuart
 

stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
362
0
52
Scotland
Hi guys, I just want to put some perspective on losses here.

While I was waiting for GBP/CHF to actually move today, I did some calculations.

I don't think they are absolutely perfect, but they aren't far off the mark.

How many losses in a row should you expect to be able to stomach?

Based on 1000 trades, with an average loser of 20 pips, and a strike rate of 33%, you can realistically expect at some stage to encounter a losing streak of 17 losses in a row, during those 1,000 trades.

That's 340 pips.

Based on 1000 trades, with an average loser of 20 pips, and a strike rate of 20%, you can realistically expect at some stage to encounter a losing streak of 31 losses in a row, during those 1,000 trades.

That's 620 pips.

Losing streaks do come when you are cutting losers and running winners. In the same way that the winning streaks will come if you are operating the opposite way, with a higher strike rate but with smaller winners and bigger losers.

The difference is that when you are cutting losers and running winners you are taking the pain up front. You are doing the hard work on an on-going basis, grinding your way through the frustration of lots of small losers. Then, BAM, the big winner comes along, and if you have the discipline to let it run, it wipes out all the losses and more.

With the other approach, you take small wins regularly and you develop a sense of ease and comfort with your trading. You are taking your small wins and are regularly patting yourself on the back. But you haven't repealed the laws of mathematics, you haven't discovered the holy grail. All you have done is postpone the work till some point in the future. Your day of reckoning, when the the rubber hits the road, will still come.

But with this way, when that loss comes, BAM - it comes all in one go. Weeks, or months of work are quickly wiped out. Psychologically, that is really difficult to deal with, and that is why you see the accounts blow up, massive drawdowns, retail traders screaming in pain. Discipline goes out the window, strategies get tossed out or tinkered with, and a whole host of stupid needless changes get implemented. Resolutions are made, the account gets funded fresh, and the cycle starts again.

Pick your poison Gents. There is no avoiding the losses. They are guaranteed to come, one way or another. Your choice: Small, regular, manageable, or huge, sporadic and life-threatening.

My way is to deal with losses calmly, methodically, regularly, spread them out over time. No one loss by itself can harm me more than being a minor annoyance. They are regular, they are just part of the trading day.

The usual way is to try avoid losses, postpone them, put them off into the future.

What did your mother tell you about dealing with your problems? You tackle them head on and you deal with them. If you put them off, let them fester and try to avoid them, they will eventually come back at some stage to bite you in the arse. And when they do come back, they will have grown and multiplied, and they might just be too big for you to cope with by then. :eek:

Deal with the losses up front. Go into each trading day expecting to lose. Don't try to leave your losses to another day

Here's an interesting thought experiment. What would happen if we just flipped our thinking around and instead of trying to close winning trades, we tried to close losers. Our goal was to close as many losing trades as possible. Sounds easy? Bet you it isn't, because eventually some winning trade will get away from us and steam into profit and it won't come back. Try it on a demo and see.

Flip that thinking back around again. That is what we are doing here. We are just working our way through the losers until that big winner comes along. We sit down at the trading screen and work our way through those losers, calmly, methodically, and without emotion. Then, I guarantee it, that big winner comes. It always does. It's precisely the same reason why everyone tells you to use stops, except in reverse.

Have a nice evening :)

I love this, great little article. It is these little nuggets of gold that keep the motivation up and keep me trading with discipline.

Good to have you back.

Stuart
 

stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
362
0
52
Scotland
OK

Some negative GBP news has spurred the trade along a little and I have now moved my SL to BE on the GBPCHF trade.

GBPUSD trade also still working away nicely.

It is now time to see what the market has in store for me.

EURNOK trade still sitting in negative territory so I have not been able to manage the trade at all yet.

Stuart
 

Nigel Price

Master Trader
Jun 26, 2013
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Morning Stuart - Hopefully we can ride out this GBPCHF retrace and survive it before price turns lower.

A quick jump out to the weekly chart below, just to show the bigger picture.

We are still operating on the hopeful presumption that last weeks bear candle (in orange) is the preclude to lower prices, and that this weeks price action so far is simply a retrace, albeit a pretty powerful one.


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What price is your breakeven at Stuart? I wouldn't rule out a test of this 5330 level, as we are seeing now...I'm at B/E , but I'm 13 pips higher, at 5343.
 

Nigel Price

Master Trader
Jun 26, 2013
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Hi Nigel

I got in higher yesterday evening so my BE stop is 1.5351.

I am hoping this is high enough to survive the current retrace.

Stuart

Nice one!

Cable seems to be where the action is at today though - seems like it is all dollar strength today.

I see the S&P futures are challenging a long term trendline this morning. If that breaks it could be an interesting day.
 

stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
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52
Scotland
I didn't notice it this morning at the time, but it seems as though price executed a fairly standard trendline break/retest move on the 1 hour timeframe.

Hopefully that's the bulls beginning to throw in the towel....:D


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All in all, price has behaved relatively well over the course of the day.

Even the EURNOK trade is beginning to play out although im still not at BE yet.

Stuart