Price Action Swing Trading - The PAST Strategy

Nigel Price

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Any Bayern Munich fans in here? Name yourselves! :D:D

Very impressive performance from Real Madrid last night, but I don't think anyone was thinking that scoreline was possible.
 

Nigel Price

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NZDUSD to turning away from the underside of the trendline - but it is a bit messy all round.

Today is likely to be pretty choppy lads, last day of the month and the FOMC later.

Some people don't like to admit it, but the FED is really the only game in town now so until it gets out of the way we aren't likely to see much happening today. So it's a waiting game!

Even if we managed to get a position in play and with a stop to breakeven, we'd have to be ready for it to get knocked out by the volatility after the minutes are released.

Chart below anyway :)
 

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stuart1984

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Hi Nigel

I have a quick question and apologise if you have already covered this but I seem to have missed it if you have.

Many of your charts are based on the H4 timeframe, I assume that generally you do not wait for an H4 candle close before entering or you would not be able to get the tight stops you get when entering. I currently generally enter with the close of an H1 candle and even then I seem to struggle to get a stop for less than 30 pips. Most things I have read about trendlines in the past indicate that when treading a trendline break you should wait for a candle to close on the same timeframe that the trendline has been drawn.

Can you give me some guidance on how you approach this?

Thanks

Stuart
 

stuart1984

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Mar 22, 2014
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As per the monthly anchor chart on AUDUSD I have just entered a short @ 0.92995 with SL at 0.93222

I took this trade for a number of reasons, I can't post a chart at the moment but will do so when I get home from work. I saw a number of confluent factors align which I saw as an opportunity to get short with minimal risk.

The trade is moving quickly in my direction at them moment so I intend to move to BE very soon if this continues.

Stuart
 

stuart1984

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Price has moved in my direction to equal my initial risk so SL has now been moved to BE. I now have a risk free opportunity to make some money and at worst I will have lost nothing.

Stuart
 

Nigel Price

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Many of your charts are based on the H4 timeframe, I assume that generally you do not wait for an H4 candle close before entering or you would not be able to get the tight stops you get when entering. I currently generally enter with the close of an H1 candle and even then I seem to struggle to get a stop for less than 30 pips. Most things I have read about trendlines in the past indicate that when treading a trendline break you should wait for a candle to close on the same timeframe that the trendline has been drawn.

Can you give me some guidance on how you approach this?

Thanks

Stuart

Well Stuart, nice question

The first point is that of timeframes. I don't really see different timeframes as hugely important. What I mean by that is that it's a bit like the zoom function on your camera. When you zoom in and out, it might change what you see, but it doesn't change what is actually there. Price follows the same path no matter what timeframe you select on your chart.

So it depends on your own outlook and how you want to trade. Say for instance you are going to be in front of you screen for the day and you'd like to take a shot at getting a really tight entry. Nothing to stop you zooming right into a five minute chart and using that for entries with super tight stops. But you would need to remember that you will probably have to have the patience to maybe take a few goes before you got a position in play.

Alternatively you could be only checking your screen a few times a day for a minute or two. If that's the case, you might want to use a higher timeframe and allow yourself winder stops. You will suffer less losers, but your stops will be that bit bigger. It's all swings and roundabouts. Sometimes people get really hung up on different timeframes and treat them almost as if they are different instruments. They're not, it's just a different way of presenting the same data set on your screen.

If you open google maps on your phone when you are trying to plot a route to go somewhere, you start zoomed far out with a wide overall view of where you're going. Then you zoom in, a bit further and narrow it down, then in a little further, until eventually you are right in tight following yourself as that little blue dot moving along the streets. Looking at the next left or right turn. How far you zoom in on the map will not change where you are going. It's just a matter of you presenting it in a way that is comfortable for you to view it and interpret the information.

As for waiting for a candle to close, yes, I have read all that before. I might sound like a broken record here, but again, it's a matter of personal preference. Let's look at some example pros and cons:


advantages of waiting for a candle to close -

- better confirmation that the trendline is broken;

- probably fewer losing trades

- only have to check charts periodically (at the end of the particular timeframe concerned)

disadvantage of waiting for a candle to close -

- price could move significantly before the candle closes, increasing the risk that we are getting in at a poor price

- this will probably require bigger stops

- increased probability of having to carry a loser through a retrace

These are only examples off the top of my head, everyone will be different.

I can tell you my own preference, but they may or may not work for you. I personally prefer to get in right on the break, i.e. not waiting for a candle to close. I am interested in that "pop" I'm always talking about which I hope you have seen from previous examples of me doing live trading. Sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes, when a trendline breaks you get a pop, an acceleration in price as the bulls give up and the bears jump in (or the other way round). That burst of price, on the occasions that it happens, allows me to get my stop to breakeven very very quickly. So my risk is small both in terms of the number of pips, and in terms of time, because I can get that risk off the table quickly.

What's the tradeoff? Well, I miss quite a few trades, I have to take quite a few more losing trades that I would like, I am often frustrated when price is being stubborn and not behaving the way I want it to, and so on. It suits me, but it might not suit everyone.

The other way you could manage things if you find that you don't like trading the breaks is to focus on the retests. Again, you will have to stomach the fact that you will miss good trades, but when the retests do occur, you can get in on them with very tight stops and they can make for spectacular trades.

It's all a matter of finding your own groove - that fits in your with your risk tolerance, your emotions, your timezone, your daily routine, all that. You never get your groove by copying someone else, you can only get it by doing it yourself, doing more of what works for you and less of what doesn't.

Hope that answer helps, and it isn't too long and boring! :D:D
 

Nigel Price

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Price has moved in my direction to equal my initial risk so SL has now been moved to BE. I now have a risk free opportunity to make some money and at worst I will have lost nothing.

Stuart

Excellent, that's your part of the job done, and done faultlessly. What comes next is down to the markets. Whether that trade becomes very profitable or gets stopped out for nothing, it won't change the fact that today was a very successful day's trading for you. As long as you can continue to do that, you'll see big progress.

Remember, we're looking for something like this:

0, -10, -20, -10, 0, 0, +150, 0, -20, -20, 0, -10, -10, -10, -20, +200, 0, -20, etc

Remember Chapter 1 of the Ebook
 

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Nigel Price

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By the way, the NZDUSD which I have been looking at this week totally blew through it's trendline yesterday. The USD has been under a lot of pressure this week. I'll be sanding aside on this pair until I see some evidence that the bears are taking some control. Depending on the US NFP tomorrow, it still could be a good sell into next week, but we have to wait and see how the market is communicating with us.

The market is always communicating with us, it's just that most of the time we are too focused on ourselves to listen. Right now, NZD/USD is telling me to take a break away from the screen - now is not the time to be trying to force anything. And who am I to argue.... :D
 

stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
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Well Stuart, nice question

The first point is that of timeframes. I don't really see different timeframes as hugely important. What I mean by that is that it's a bit like the zoom function on your camera. When you zoom in and out, it might change what you see, but it doesn't change what is actually there. Price follows the same path no matter what timeframe you select on your chart.

So it depends on your own outlook and how you want to trade. Say for instance you are going to be in front of you screen for the day and you'd like to take a shot at getting a really tight entry. Nothing to stop you zooming right into a five minute chart and using that for entries with super tight stops. But you would need to remember that you will probably have to have the patience to maybe take a few goes before you got a position in play.

Alternatively you could be only checking your screen a few times a day for a minute or two. If that's the case, you might want to use a higher timeframe and allow yourself winder stops. You will suffer less losers, but your stops will be that bit bigger. It's all swings and roundabouts. Sometimes people get really hung up on different timeframes and treat them almost as if they are different instruments. They're not, it's just a different way of presenting the same data set on your screen.

If you open google maps on your phone when you are trying to plot a route to go somewhere, you start zoomed far out with a wide overall view of where you're going. Then you zoom in, a bit further and narrow it down, then in a little further, until eventually you are right in tight following yourself as that little blue dot moving along the streets. Looking at the next left or right turn. How far you zoom in on the map will not change where you are going. It's just a matter of you presenting it in a way that is comfortable for you to view it and interpret the information.

As for waiting for a candle to close, yes, I have read all that before. I might sound like a broken record here, but again, it's a matter of personal preference. Let's look at some example pros and cons:


advantages of waiting for a candle to close -

- better confirmation that the trendline is broken;

- probably fewer losing trades

- only have to check charts periodically (at the end of the particular timeframe concerned)

disadvantage of waiting for a candle to close -

- price could move significantly before the candle closes, increasing the risk that we are getting in at a poor price

- this will probably require bigger stops

- increased probability of having to carry a loser through a retrace

These are only examples off the top of my head, everyone will be different.

I can tell you my own preference, but they may or may not work for you. I personally prefer to get in right on the break, i.e. not waiting for a candle to close. I am interested in that "pop" I'm always talking about which I hope you have seen from previous examples of me doing live trading. Sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes, when a trendline breaks you get a pop, an acceleration in price as the bulls give up and the bears jump in (or the other way round). That burst of price, on the occasions that it happens, allows me to get my stop to breakeven very very quickly. So my risk is small both in terms of the number of pips, and in terms of time, because I can get that risk off the table quickly.

What's the tradeoff? Well, I miss quite a few trades, I have to take quite a few more losing trades that I would like, I am often frustrated when price is being stubborn and not behaving the way I want it to, and so on. It suits me, but it might not suit everyone.

The other way you could manage things if you find that you don't like trading the breaks is to focus on the retests. Again, you will have to stomach the fact that you will miss good trades, but when the retests do occur, you can get in on them with very tight stops and they can make for spectacular trades.

It's all a matter of finding your own groove - that fits in your with your risk tolerance, your emotions, your timezone, your daily routine, all that. You never get your groove by copying someone else, you can only get it by doing it yourself, doing more of what works for you and less of what doesn't.

Hope that answer helps, and it isn't too long and boring! :D:D

Thanks Nigel, great read and very useful. I think this is something that I will develop a preference for over time. My gut tells me that my personality would suit the more aggressive type entry but time will tell what ultimately is going to be the best for me.

Stuart
 

stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
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By the way, the NZDUSD which I have been looking at this week totally blew through it's trendline yesterday. The USD has been under a lot of pressure this week. I'll be sanding aside on this pair until I see some evidence that the bears are taking some control. Depending on the US NFP tomorrow, it still could be a good sell into next week, but we have to wait and see how the market is communicating with us.

The market is always communicating with us, it's just that most of the time we are too focused on ourselves to listen. Right now, NZD/USD is telling me to take a break away from the screen - now is not the time to be trying to force anything. And who am I to argue.... :D

I have been thinking the same thing.

Stuart
 

stuart1984

Master Trader
Mar 22, 2014
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I have learned a lot about myself over the past few weeks while trading this strategy. I recently opened an account through a broker who were running a promotion on rebating up to £300 of losses within your first month. As a result, I decided to trade bigger position sizes than I currently do. I currently trade micro lots and moved up to mini lots instead i.e 10x the size I am used to. The hope was to use this risk free capital to substantially increase the money I could trade with on my normal account.

What was the result? - well, the month is not up yet but its not looking good! I mirrored the entries I have taken in my standard account, my standard account is up by about 15% realised and 40% unrealised profit for the same month, the new account is down by 48%!!

How has this happened? - Well, because the positions were larger than I am used too, I let my SL get hit as normal but I didn't let the winners run, I took the profit to earn a quick buck.

Obviously, even although I can get this money back through the promotion, it has taught me that I am not yet ready to trade a larger account as I was too emotional about the money on the table.

This has been a valuable lesson for me and I thought that I would post it here to let others see how big an effect psychology has on your account balance!

Stuart
 

Nigel Price

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Obviously, even although I can get this money back through the promotion, it has taught me that I am not yet ready to trade a larger account as I was too emotional about the money on the table.

This has been a valuable lesson for me and I thought that I would post it here to let others see how big an effect psychology has on your account balance!

Stuart

Fear and greed, my friend.....fear and greed :):)
 

stuart1984

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Mar 22, 2014
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Ok, now I have figured out how to post a chart without my software, here are my charts for the AUDUSD I have been watching and trading.

First up is the monthly which we can see a nice Pin Bar off resistance that has been a monthly swing point before. The lack of previous trend is slightly concerning however the preceding trend can clearly be seen on the weekly which we will look at next.
 

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Nigel Price

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The last few weeks have been pretty hard going!! I'm only down 47 points which I think is OK for the recent conditions.

russian30, the last few weeks have been very difficult to trade. The volatility has been excruciatingly low. The daily EUR/JPY sums it up for me right now.

We just have to try to stay defensive until things pick up again.

I saw Jamie Coleman from FXBeat earlier saying that its been the toughest few trading months he can remember, and he has been around a while.

Well done for keeping your head above water! :D
 

stuart1984

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Mar 22, 2014
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Next up is the weekly, here we can see the preceding bull trend and I am looking to rejoin the overall bear trend:

Then down to the H4 where we can start to see some trendline break and retest opportunities:

And finally, the H1 chart where I took my entry today. I saw a number of factors aligning which confirmed for me that I should take the trade. The retest of the H1 trendline coupled with the touch of the descending trendline which also coincided with horizontal support and the 50% fib retrace of the last H4 bear leg. As soon as I saw price breach the H4 trendline I went short and was very quickly able to move to BE. We will now let the market decide what is in store for us. IF it continues south, I will consider adding to my position on the break of the daily trendline:

Happy trading everyone.

Stuart:):)
 

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stuart1984

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Mar 22, 2014
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Hi Guys,

I hope everyone is well.

Just in case anyone's interested, I've attached my trading log for the month.

The last few weeks have been pretty hard going!! I'm only down 47 points which I think is OK for the recent conditions.

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Hi Russian 30

Thanks for posting your results, it has made me go and look over mine. It has been a difficult few weeks but if we keep chipping away keeping our risk nice and low, the big moves will come eventually. I have had a few nice trades that have delivered and they will come for you too, here are my results since starting with this strategy on the 17th March:

Thanks

Stuart
 

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Nigel Price

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I've said it before but I have to get it off my chest again - I absolutely hate these news-heavy weeks like this one, with both the FOMC earlier in the week and then the NFP tomorrow. They are just so frustrating.

Waiting, big untradeable spike, waiting, big untradeable spike, nothing, the weekend. :mad:

I always threaten that I'm just going to avoid the markets on these weeks but I never follow through with it.

Anyway, that's the rant over :)

EUR/AUD looks like it might be getting ready to become a sell again, although who knows what the NFP tomorrow will leave the charts looking like... have to wait and see.
 

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